courtesy of DerDoppelbock; Grote Jan, very old bottle ~1970) - clear and pale golden colour with a poor head retention; lactic nose with fair notes of meat; light-bodied and with acidic notes; low and subtle carbonation; light acidic and slightly fruity finish - very drinkable and deeply impressive considering its age

yellow-white, lactic colour, no head, vinegar and rhubarb aroma, extremly sour, long dry and sour finish - not really about balance but far better than the Berliner Kindl Weisse. Anyway, not an easy beer and not my kind of stuff (2/7/3/2/8)

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